Greatra Mayana

Career & Employment Opportunities

5 Terrible (But Common) Career Tips | The Financial Diet


Hey, guys. It’s Chelsea, on
this snowy and more dog-riddled than usual day. As you can see,
I have Mona here. I also have my parents
dog who I’m pup sitting. And Mona has a kiss
on her forehead. So if you see them running
around, just wave hi. And today, we wanted
to talk to you guys about some really
bad advice you’re probably likely to hear sometime
in your career. As the new year
approaches, everyone wants to focus on their
big goals for the next year and what they want to get
accomplished, and a lot of that has to do with
their career goals. But it’s very important
when you’re figuring out what you want for
yourself to filter out the good advice from the bad. Now, we’ve done some
videos before with what we think are really strong
pieces of career advice, and we’ll link you to
them in the description. But we really wanted
to talk this episode about the advice landmines
you need to watch out for. And to get more insight on the
topic of bad career advice, we interviewed
Samantha Matt, who is the founder of Forever
Twenty Somethings, which is a site we work with
sometimes at The Financial Diet. You guys should check it out. We’ll link you in
the description. Samantha Matt is a
professional hiring manager, and has shared over the years
some amazing advice when it comes to picking
the right job and making sure you get
it in the smartest way. When we talked to her about
how she makes her hires, she told us, “when I hire, I
go through every single resume and cover letter I get. When I do this, I don’t just
look at job titles and company names. I look at experience
outside work too. What has this person
done outside work that shows their passion and drive? What interests does
this person have that could benefit our company? While job experience
is important, there’s a lot more than job
titles and company names, and as a hiring manager, I
always look beyond them.” And when I asked
her to share what she thought was the worst
career advice people often get, she told us, “people say
you have to “schmooze–” I hate that word– to get ahead. Whether it’s going to drinks
with co-workers regularly after work– and drinking a lot– or being involved with
company sports teams, you don’t have to do these
things regularly to get ahead, or at least you shouldn’t. At one of my first
jobs, I didn’t feel like I was really
part of the company until I attended an event
and was taking shots with people in management. After this, people
I had never spoken to start saying hi
to me in the office, and there was even
talk of a promotion. But now that I’m older,
I attend work events if it’s for special
occasions, but you won’t catch me taking shots with
management to climb the career ladder, and I wouldn’t favor a
co-worker just because they’re drinking with me. Your work should always speak
louder than your ability to drink alcohol.” It’s funny that her piece
of bad career advice was the schmoozing
thing, because as someone whose first 9:00 to 5:00
job was at a startup where, as you may have heard,
the culture is often heavily involved with partying
and not quite having so many boundaries
with your co-workers, I definitely thought
at the beginning that my ability to seem cool
was going to be directly linked to my success. And I’ve definitely learned as
I’ve moved on through my career that while you obviously
shouldn’t be avoiding socializing with
your co-workers, not only is drinking a lot
after hours not a good way to get ahead, it’s
also a good way to potentially get yourself
fired or in a serious meeting with HR. There’s a reason that
traditional workplaces have a good amount
of boundaries, because it’s a job and not
a time to be making out with your co-workers. And when I asked Samantha
what her best alternative to the schmoozing
advice was, she told me, “attend the work event,
but don’t drink too much. This is classic advice. In fact, it was
exactly what my mom said to me when I was 22 and
attending my first company outing. Did I listen to her? No. But I should have. Unless you become besties
with a co-worker or two, you’re allowed to keep your
work life professional. If you’re good at
what you do, you shouldn’t have to fake
climb your way to the top by drinking excessively.” And when I asked
Samantha to tell me what people tended to give
the worst and the best career advice, she told
me, “people who are insecure about their
own role at work tend to give the worst advice. Whether that person thinks
they could be laid off, replaced with someone
younger, or simply is not confident
in their abilities, these types of people usually
project their insecurities onto others, and
this also happens with people who have an
old-school work mentality or have trouble
adjusting to change. Career advice now is simply
not like it used to be, and the world is
always changing. You have to stay on top of it. And the best advice
tends to come from confident
leaders who are always eager to learn and
welcome change. These people have the ability to
stay calm, cool, and collected in stressful situations. They watch and observe
so much that they get insight into what works and
what doesn’t in the workplace. They don’t think that
they know everything. And in fact, they know that
they don’t, because they know that everything
is always changing.” So we wanted to round up some
more of those really bad career tips you tend to hear often
and get a little bit into why they really don’t work. One of the most common
ones, and in my opinion, most offensive ones,
is find a job you love, and you’ll never work
a day in your life. This is one of these general
life advice maxims you always see floating around
that simply will not die no matter how stupid it is. Basically, believing
that finding a job that fulfills you means
you will never feel like you’re working inherently
sets you up to fail, and it is guaranteed to
make you feel unsatisfied. First of all, what about
the people who cannot take the risks or do not have the
financial flexibility to pursue a job that they
really want to pursue? For a lot of people,
the job of their dreams is something that is very,
very unstable financially, and in order to
make those leaps, one has to have perfect timing,
the right connections, and also the financial freedom to
leave their primary job at some point. So implying as
though everyone is able to go after this
dream job they love is a ridiculous
thing to begin with. But even if you do
work in something that is your primary
professional passion, and you do feel like you
genuinely love your job, there are always going to be
times and parts of that job that you feel unhappy, or
unsatisfied, or overworked. There is no such thing
as a perfect job. And even the jobs
that most fulfill you, the elements of that
job that you love are guaranteed to be at
most like, 60% of the job. For example, I’ve been
a professional writer for about seven years now, and
while there are parts of my day that are extremely
writerly, such as when I’m writing the
book, or an article, or scripting one of these
videos, a huge chunk of my day is just administrative
stuff, or answering emails, or going to meetings, or doing
things that have basically nothing to do with writing. And that is totally
par for the course. You cannot expect any job
to make you feel as though you’re not working
at a certain point. And most importantly, you
shouldn’t feel that way. The same people who advocate
this idea that jobs you love will never feel like work
have a really unhealthy idea about the kind of
separation that we all should have from our work
lives and our personal lives. Implying that you
should seek that level of personal and
emotional fulfillment from what is effectively
your means of earning money is a great way to
completely dissolve the boundaries in your life
and constantly feel like you’re giving yourself over to work. That feeling of I love what I
do is often what leads people into those incredibly
slippery slopes of working way more than they’re
compensated for, of neglecting their
personal life, or of using their job to give
them all of the fulfillment and validation that
should be coming from diverse areas
of their life. A job is not a loved
one you are not expected to love
it unconditionally, and nor will it love you back. Another terrible
piece of career advice is doing X or Y thing is way
above or below my pay grade. You will hear people
throughout your career tell you that you
effectively should not do things that are outside
of your job description. And while yes, you should
be protective about not overworking yourself
in terms of hours spent and in terms of the amount
that you are giving over to your company,
you also shouldn’t feel like you are 100% married
to the literal things that were laid out the day you started. In the career chapter of our
book, which is out January 2, we have an awesome interview
with career expert Joanne Cleaver, who is a huge
advocate of taking on tasks and responsibilities
that aren’t necessarily defined by your current job in
order to get ahead and do more of what you want. On the topic in our
book, Joanne said, “don’t be afraid
of doing something that isn’t a concrete task
in your pre-existing job, or something that
doesn’t seem to have an immediate benefit for you. Climbing the career
lattice is all about laying the groundwork now
for something much better down the road.” And it’s important to note
that Joanne’s signature book, The Career Lattice, which
she touches on in our book, lays out the concept that
there is no such thing anymore as a career ladder like there
was for our parents’ generation where you can expect to
stay on a very straight upward and extremely
well-defined path in the same company. Now, she says, we are
all on a career lattice where it’s all about moving up
sometimes, but sometimes over, sideways, diagonally,
or even completely out of your industry. And a huge part of that
is having the flexibility to do things that aren’t
necessarily perfectly defined. For example, at my
first 9:00 to 5:00 job, I realized that I wanted
to make a transition to a different
department in my company. I wanted to start working
on the advertising that we were doing
instead of just doing purely editorial articles. And so how did I do that? I simply asked to
start working on them when I saw that there
was a need on the team. At first, I wasn’t directly
getting paid for it. It wasn’t part of my
initial job description, and it required me
learning new skills, but by the end of that job,
I left with the job title I really needed to make that
career move in the long-term. I started as staff writer and
entered as creative director, which never would have happened
if I didn’t start taking on tasks outside of my scope. And even doing things that
are below your pay grade, but are extremely
useful to others, will do amazing things
for your reputation. Making yourself useful
and being willing to lend a hand on projects
outside of your scope shows that you are someone
who cares for more than just their own individual career. Studies show that more
flexible employees tend to be happier,
more productive, and even get sick less often. Now, obviously, it’s
important to keep boundaries on the total amount of
work that you’re doing. And sometimes, you do simply
have to say no to extra work. But if in the same
amount of time you can accomplish
different tasks, and you can lend a hand when you
see something that really needs it from time to time, it will
make it infinitely easier to say no on the times
that you really need to. People will remember the time
that you agreed to help them way more than they’ll remember
the time that you couldn’t. Something else you might have
heard is focus on your own job or performance,
not someone else’s. Now, this one is true in a
sense, in that you shouldn’t be constantly
comparing yourselves to colleagues, where,
let’s be honest, you don’t even know all the
details behind what you’re seeing. But your job is not the only
one you should be focused on, because you should be
focused on your boss’s. Another extremely useful
insight that Joanne gave us in the career
chapter of our book was teaching us how helpful
it is to one’s own career to focus on making
their boss look good and have an easier time. In the book, she
says, “your goal is to both be known
by the right people, and to be known for
the right things. So how do you do that? Not with your boss. She has her hands full with
getting you and your teammates to achieve the team’s
official goals. Never forget that one of
the most important ways you can build your reputation is
by making your boss look good. That means understanding
what incentives are built into her bonus,
and how you can make her look good to her boss.” Now we’ve mentioned this
idea before because it is so important to remember. Oftentimes, people get
so singularly focused on their own path and their
own tasks and their own goals that they forget that the
success of the whole team not just makes everyone
else look better, but also provides a healthier
company in which everyone can grow. A really good tip beyond just
learning the concrete ways that you can make
your boss look good, which will make her
really look out for you, is to occasionally ask
your teammates what you can do to help
them, even if it just means communicating with
them in a more effective way. At the end of the day,
if you are individually a shooting star, and the rest
of your team is a dumpster fire, nobody wins. Now, something people
might have told you, especially if you are just
leaving college and entering into the workforce where
everything seems like you’re just anonymously sending your
resume into an empty void full of a million others is
you can fudge your resume a little bit if you need to. No you can not. There is a huge difference
between making sure that everything on your resume looks
as good as it can possibly look and is phrased in the most
useful way for you and straight up exaggerating or lying about
things that you cannot back up when the job comes. Even if, let’s say,
fudging something on your resume about your
skill set or your background allows you to get
into the job, the day that someone at your
company finds out that you lied on your
resume, and that day will come if you stay there long
enough, your entire reputation, not just from that company,
but through the whole industry is seriously damaged. One thing you never, ever
want to establish yourself as professionally is a liar. That is something that will
prevent even a boss who thinks you do a great job from
being able to truly endorse you. And it’s the kind of
thing that will follow you through the rest of your career. Do not pretend to speak Spanish. Do not pretend to
know JavaScript. Do not even pretend to
be proficient at Excel if you are not. The long-term repercussions
are simply not worth it. And besides, there
is almost never a need to straight
up lie on a resume in order to fit a job
description perfectly. One Monster article on the
topic said, “hiring managers are much more open to people
with transferable skills these days. Meaning, you don’t
have to necessarily have direct experience in
a field to be employed.” As the working world changes
generally, so do these really, really strict ideas
about exactly what you need to have done in order
to qualify you for the job you want. And one thing that is sure to
disqualify you from basically any job is being a liar. The last piece of bad
money advice that really irks the hell out of us
is follow your passion, and the money will follow. This is such bad advice. It makes me want to scream. And like most advice that
makes me want to scream, you tend to see it on places
like Pinterest, Instagram, and coffee mugs at
Urban Outfitters. It also tends to be
dispensed by people with extremely rare career
or entrepreneurial paths that most of us will
never be able to follow. They also never come with a
divulsion of their parent’s careers and net worth,
because if you actually look at the data at most
successful entrepreneurs or people in super high
competitive industries like acting, you would
find that most of them come from a background that
set them up to work in it, either because one of
their family members did, or because they had a
shit ton of money to burn. But aside from the
fact that this advice tends to be very
difficult to follow, and completely dangerous
for most people, it perpetuates this notion that
your professional fulfillment should be the
direction of your life and the source of most
of your happiness. Not only can one’s passions be
totally separate from their day to day work, and
many people actually find that a more
healthy way to live, tying your financial
success to your ability to do one very narrow thing is
very, very difficult to sustain over the course of a lifetime. If you are able to make
a healthy living off of your passion, the necessities
of working that day to day job will eventually take away some
of that initial joy and passion you had. It’s natural. But the more likely scenario is
that your very specific passion is not going to be
lucrative enough to make it a day to day job. And repeatedly telling
people that simply following that passion in a straight line
is going to eventually manifest money in their lives
is setting them up to feel like a failure
throughout their career. We tend to heavily
associate people’s character with the work that
they do, and believe that the work that
they do is inherently a reflection of
their total life. But the truth is that most of
us just need to do work to live. We are not our jobs, and our
jobs are not our character. A much more realistic goal is
to say that you should always try to inject some of
your passion into any work that you do. For example, if you are
someone who loves to act, finding work that
allows you to use those same channels of
expression and creativity and talking in front of
others is a much healthier way than saying, if I do not
make 100% of my money strictly through acting,
then I’m not there yet. Actually, a lot
of people that we know through the personal
finance media world are people who were
initially in theater, and found that
the work that they do in this personal
finance sphere, with not only talking
with people constantly at conferences or
corporate workshops, but also getting to be
creative about the way that they talk about money
has been hugely fulfilling and a much more stable career. And there is nothing
that stops you from keeping that passion pure
and keeping it as your hobby. At the end of the
day, building a career that is satisfying
for you and makes you feel happy with
the work that you do is enough of a
challenge that you don’t need to go
bogging yourself down with perfectionist and
unrealistic career advice. Learning to separate the good
from the bad career advice can be very difficult, but
one almost universal rule is that there is no such
thing as a universal rule. The more you can accept
that your career is going to be something that is
constantly evolving, not just along with technology, but
along with you as a person, the better you can apply the
good advice to your own career. Stop thinking in
absolutist terms, and stop using advice
that came from people who worked in a totally
different career world, such as perhaps, your parents
or your college professors. Your work might
not be exactly what you want it to look
like every day, but it’s not supposed to be. And the sooner you
accept that work is never going to be perfect
and should always be balanced with the
rest of your life, the sooner you will
be happy with what you have instead of constantly
looking for something perfect. So as always, guys, thank
you so much for watching. And don’t forget to hit
the Subscribe button, and to come back every Tuesday
for new and awesome videos. See you in 2018.

100 Replies to “5 Terrible (But Common) Career Tips | The Financial Diet”

  • Doing what you love as a job can work but you have to be ok with it being your job. What helped me decide which ones of my hobbies would be 'suitable' as a career was actually school. I loved English and I loved doing (home)work for that subject, by which I mean: of course I'd rather have the afternoon off but learning something new about my favourite language would never bother me nearly as much as homework for a subject I didn't like. And I loved art and making art, but I hated it when someone else (teacher) told me what to do and graded my stuff. Conclusion: English as a realistically fun job option, art never more than a hobby. So, doing what you love to me means not to mind having to work bc you like your field of work and being willing to make compromises (which is ok for me with English but obvs not with art) , not doing something you'll never ever find boring even once.

  • Hobbies are entirely unrated. I sometimes have people ask me whether I will eventually become a full time writer, but I have always thought trying to make a living off of writing alone would not only be far more stressful, but also remove the joy I find in writing in the first place. Plus, I also enjoy my career as an engineer. Thank you for stating clearly what I have felt for a while.

  • @2:22 Work doesn't speak at all. You could say that your ability to drink alcohol shouldn't be the sole criterion. 😉
    @3:07 One thing is not mutual exclusive to the other.
    @3:34 It shouldn't be the only way because then it is probably a "brothel" and not a workplace. 😉
    @4:17 That is a ton of crap, change for the sake of change is not necessarily something good.
    @5:11 Than make it stable or just take the risk.
    @5:19 You can establish those connections and take the risk. That takes time but even if you achieve only 80% or less of it you can call it success.
    @5:42 Yeah, but you adjust to improve the situation if necessary.
    @6:08 If you don't try to improve that situation, you won't achieve it. It is not a perfect world in the job market but it is definitely a less perfect world in the job market if you don't even try to make the most out of it.
    @6:50 It is not about the exact thing but about the transferable skill set, so you can separate work from free time.
    @9:15 If it doesn't pay off, you wasted your time.

  • Well, in my last interview (after 5 really exhausting one) they asked me (part-time on the side of studying) "why do you want this job?"
    Me: I need money and experience.
    They: What about the company or the job as itself, or why do you decide to apply?
    Me: You were on the first page of Step-stone (Job website), I applied for 20 other Jobs, too.

    There wasn't much talk afterwards, just about my current skills and what they looking for in detail and if or how I would deal/work with what they are doing etc.
    I got a relevant job in my field (and 3 other "Yes´s" (CE)) after a couple days of waiting.

    I guess it was a lucky shot because it is part-time (but with career opportunities after my BSc) and because people in my occupation are rather socially unskilled (like me) and they, I guess, have gotten used to this situations.

  • The “Do what you love, and you’ll never have to work a day in your life” isn’t “Go ahead and quit your paying job to become a dinosaur hunter”. Taking it too literal isn’t the sign of a smart adult. It suggests you take into account who you are, what your talents are, and what you generally enjoy. If you’re not a very diplomatic person, you may not want to apply for a job within a traditional company that takes itself too seriously. If you’re not good at maths, perhaps don’t try to apply for a position requiring extensive financial knowledge. Therefore you probably should apply for a “younger” company, perhaps even a smaller one if personal communication is very crucial for you, and you should avoid going for positions that require you to fashion yourself in an uptight manner. The quote simply means you should not force yourself to pretend to be a different person than you are, it means you shouldn’t be forcing yourself into an industry that simply troubles you. If maths give you a headache, you shouldn’t choose a career path in finance, because it will be a never-ending torment. Please learn to read between lines and understand intention.

  • Thank you so much for clearing some if not most of the unhealthy career quotes people spread like wild fire depriving others of a happy working life. Gratitude.

  • Another excellent video – you always put out the best advice and content that really makes me think! I have taken one quite a few of these tips already (especially the one about schmoozing – this has always made me cringe). I did have a different experience with my career though, I wanted to be a freelance graphic designer and I chased that. Put some money away, worked part-time, now I'm full time and SO much happier and spending much less on chasing an expensive hobby. My work is my life and I love it that way. I suppose everyone's different 🙂

  • I literally think this video saved my life. I ve always loved drawing, art and languages. I never pursued an artistic career cause I discovered I was really good at languages too so I opted for a more "realistic" job as I ve never been able to financially support my art passion and let's also admit I was hugely afraid to mix my passion with my job and turn it into a nightmare. I was kinda okay with this thought but then I was always seeing ppl around me saying "follow what you love mate" and I started feeling guilty for not pursuing my art career and I felt like I was just a coward. But that's not it! I just wanted fun and work to be separated but yet find something new and beautiful in my job maybe linked to art in someway and languages. Maybe translating or subtitling comics/anime/TV series too? Well that's it… thank you so much girl you really made my day 💟✨🙌 and YES working on something you love is hard. I know tons of artist who complain about the fact they're always on the computer and need to post on social media every two seconds and that they barely sleep cause they're often in a hurry. I mean if ur passion is that big and you don't have a problem with all the side stuff u gotta do when working in something you love…Well, go for it if you have the chance (and the money) to!

  • Wow sending this to my friend. He totally needs to see this as he doesnt understand things when I explain it to him. Thanks for the video

  • I'm laughing, you totally should lie on your resume. Esp if the job minimum wage, they're just referring to "industry jobs" which makes me roll my eyes. like yeah you shouldn't say you have cpr training or know how to work a program you've never seen. But Exaggerating a little is acceptable and smart. Like "I trained a group of employees at my previous job" >>> When in reality your boss sent you 2-3 newbies to work with you and you ended up answering all their questions and directing them. It's the same skill set. And honestly in this world full of so many people how else are you going to get in? If I hadn't lied slightly I might STILL be working a terrible min wage job at my age bc that's how few Opportunities are afforded. This bit of 'advice' honestly made me angry bc it might hurt some people out there that don't have a lot going for them and add extra guilt to someone who's a good cappable worker

  • I love the content and advice so much! A constructive criticism though: please consider to talk in a slower pace next time. Allowing your audience to think while you talk is a true delivery.

  • Bless this video. Basically all in all of this video is: Work to LIVE and do not live to WORK. I am in technical college for surgical technology program. I will be a CST and aiming for a part time job. Your life should never be your job. Beauty in nature and travel and diversity and spending time with the ones you love should be the primary goal in life. Not making tons of money and being obsessed with your job.

  • In the end, this is what you should do. Be honest, focus on your job and be kind. Your boss will see your actions. Your job shouldn't be your focus in life. Your job is for money to survive and thrive somewhat.

  • What about all the people growing from nothing via Youtube??? And Instagram? There are plenty artists of all kinds who come from less than and are paid handsomely for what they love, especially with the advent of social media and SEO. Your passion can grow into an income and the work you do will be worth it.

  • Where does that ubiquitous "9 to 5" come from? I'm a retiree and I have never come across a typical job that starts at 9 am unless you are top management, self-employed or in some field with odd or different hours like retail, construction, etc. Most everything is 8 to 5. So why this constant reference to 9 to 5?

  • Well, and job is going to feel like work. That’s why they’re called jobs 😂.. nobody is gonna pay you for something that’s fun

  • Oh damn. Like a year late but I'm on job search now (for job #2 out of college) and this is a great perspective. Coming from the advertising industry SO MANY PEOPLE RELY ON SMOOZE and sadly..that is exactly how you get up faster cuz the boy's club is still alive and real. I know someone who is so freakin talented but doesn't come out to drink and doesn't do small talk at all. And its so sad the higher-ups ignore his worth. Once in a while have a conversation/small talk/come out and get a soda from the bar with a lemon (no one can tell its not a drink). The time you invest is important. Also, love the parent's money call out. very real. I could comment more but I'll just say this is great advice. Though don't care for the person at the beginning who looks for outside stuff. Yes that's important but its not fair to people who work in industries that suck all your time, late nights, weekends and you don't get time or energy for a hobby.

  • There’s a right way to schmooze and a wrong way. Attend the work function, have one drink or two (or don’t as there should never be pressure to drink), and try to get to know upper management a little bit better on a personal level. Learn about their family, their kids, their hobbies and try to find some common ground. If they like the same football team or you both love bowling then talk and bond a little bit over that. No this kind of thing won’t give you a promotion by itself but if an opportunity for a promotion comes up and both you and your colleagues want it but you’re the one who actually got to know the big boss you naturally will have a leg up. While I certainly agree that you definitely need to tread carefully when alcohol is involved at work functions, taking the time to get to know management on a surface personal level (hobbies, favorite sports, family, etc… not the test result from your physical or anything awkwardly personal) is almost always a good career move. It’s never the sole reason you get promoted as you better produce on a high level but it can be a differentiating factor when opportunities arise. Lastly it also depends on your job function as well. Some jobs just require you to sit in the corner all day and do your thing while others require you to interface with many different people and groups. Taking the time to get to know all of the different people beyond purely a work relationship can go a long way towards getting things done especially when you rely on other groups within the company to support you in different facets of a project. People are way more willing to help those they know and like than aloof strangers. While I agree on the other advice this one I think shouldn’t be dismissed.

  • I wish I can find this video before I got into my current job. The way it works is in exactly opposite ways of the video. You have to mess with your boss to have an easier day. You work more in a given day to ease yourself for tomorrow means you earn yourself more work for another day for even less amount of time allowed, and it will give you unauthorized time in your records instead of reputation. Each and every statement from boss is either pure lie or just reading out from the paper.

  • Where was this video when I was 18 and about to decide on a major in college in 2010? I wish someone would have sook me and said "YOU DONT HAVE TO GET A DEGREE IN YOUR PASSION! YOU'LL END UP HATING IT AND DISTANCING YOURSELF FROM IT LATER DOWN THE LINE!"

  • "Find a job you love and you'll never work…." I never thought of that cliche in terms of the emotional labor it implies, even if the emotions are positive.

  • I love your show! I binge watch episodes, but I have to know, where do you get all of your beautiful pillows?

  • I really like what you say about work/life boundaries. I think in "carer" professions (I'm a teacher), there is often an expectation that if you CARE about the community you serve, then you must work yourself to death without gain to prove your devotion. I've seen it with the teacher strikes. In my part of the country, during strike periods, a lot of people (non-teachers usually) say things like, "If you cared about the children, your benefits wouldn't matter so much." I think because a lot of teachers DO love their students, it's hard to not make school life into this "unconditional love" thing that leads to burnout with an insane personal money/hours investment. And yet burnout doesn't do anything for anyone so you have to take a big step back for longevity's sake.

  • Eh… the whole do what your passionate about and do what you love thing can backfire sometimes. Just because you have a passion for something doesn't necessarily correlate to being good or talented enough at that thing to make people want to pay you to do it.

  • I watched this video largely because it popped up at the right time.. please accept my comments below in the positive light they are meant to be recieved:

    Point 1, wellll, hang on a sec. You didn't convince me I shouldn't (drink w my boss). U just said it shouldn't matter. Actually your example suggested that it works (unfortunately). All of your conclusions focus on what 'should' matter rather than what actually does matter. I agree with the principle but for better or worse, when your boss sees the 'human side' of you (not the drunk of course), that goes a long way to give you an advantage.

    point 2, I agree but not so specific. Sometimes the job u want isn't because you love your job but rather you love what your job enables you to do – eg support your family. The other side of that coin, you may hate your dream job because of the life it forces on you. Taking that even further, the lifestyle/income of your dream job may be so prohibitive; (which is important to know in college as I see so many with 'advertising degrees' who are doing anything but..), you're better off knowing sooner than later you actually don't want your dream job.

    Point 3-> "Dress for the job you want", just a line (job advice) that has held true for me.

    Some advice I wish you touched on is unpaid internships, the value of a skill is less/more than the value of professionalism, should I keep silent around that annoying or harassing coworker etc.

    Thanks for reading

  • I used to go to the bar with friends and sometimes I had no money so I would ask for ice water and lemon. People were always asking me what I was drinking. And I told them it was just water and lemon. But I could have easily said it was clear liquor or just said "I'll never tell" and winked at them.

    Just saying… You can also drink rum and coke, hold the rum and who's to know? You can order the rum and coke when everyone orders and later on grab a coke outside of prying eyes and swap it out.

    Remember on cyote ugly, they chased (pretended to chase) their shots with beer and spit them in the beer bottle…

    People really don't like drinking with people who are sober because those people tend to be stiff and also they feel judged. But if you can fly under the radar and blend in by being a little goofy and relaxed no one has to know you are sober and honestly, you'll probably gain a lot of useful information since the real drink people tend to have loose lips but your mind will be clear and everyone else's will be clouded.

    You can also work it out with the bartender to quietly bring you shots of water (especially if you tip good)

  • "old school" work mentalities can be very valuable. The important part that Chelsea fails to put together is the context behind "old school" thinking. If that context is that the person giving the advice is burnt out and gives negativity laced advice, yes, avoid. If the person is saying "Don't do your job well because fuck the system" then that can obviously be considered along with the burnout, insecure mentality. But sometimes, "old school" is better-referred to as "wisdom."

    I'll give you an example. I'm a paramedic. I was trained in an era where we wrote intensely detailed patient care reports, and when we were doing our reports on electronic charting software, we would fill out the drop-down boxes as required, but our written narratives of the call were still expected to be at least four very in-depth paragraphs dictating what we heard, what we saw, what we assessed the problem to be, and what we physically did (and the precise order in which we did it)

    Fast forward a few years, and my company switches to the "supernarrative." Which is at most six sentences. The company's reasoning is that any information that is pertinent should be in the dropdown boxes you fill out. But, I've been teaching my younger partners that they desperately need to go back to doing a proper narrative, while still filling out the boxes. Is it more work, and takes an extra 5-10 minutes? yes. It does. But the reason I give is based in experience. I've been subpoenaed. I've had my narrative read back out in a court of law. If I was only able to answer with "please refer to the dropdowns" when I failed to mention the tiny details of things that aren't easily assessed in dropdowns, like a patient talking to themselves in a word-salad form, impaired judgement and insight, etc. My narratives in those situations were excruciatingly detailed and helped keep the psychiatric patients that challenged their involuntary treatment in the psych hospital to get the care they needed. If I wrote a "supernarrative" there would have been missing details that removed a lot of context and painted a very different picture. One in which the very mentally ill person may perhaps have been released.

    My company is a bit of a corporate dinosaur, so this advice may not be pertinent to other fields, but the reason we switched to the "supernarrative" is that we were trying to cut down on tasks that require skill and detail work, and place the greatest focus on the things that will reduce their requirements in training (it takes a long time to get someone to a proper SOAP narrative) and hastens the time between patient drop-off and when that unit returns to service (we also have a serious problem with overworking staff and trying to squeeze as much as we can from them in as little time as possible) and sometimes, the "old school" way of doing things is to teach someone that there is value in learning the extreme intricacies of their field, because those skills can be used to better protect themselves and help their patients. So many of the kids I see just follow orders from the 911 system and simply transport patients to the hospital. But there are times where that belligerent drunk is actually drinking because his spouse stole his pain medicine for his recently broken leg. And that detailed questions and sincere, honest, vulnerable conversation with the patient may reveal that he is being physically abused. And by doing so, you refuse to leave the patient's side until you talk to the social worker.

    And it all pays off when you see that patient a few months later and they tell you that the social worker, empowered with the info that they were being abused, was able to get them into a program that got them off the street and well again.

    My long, windbag point is that the idea of "old school" advice being bad is reductive to a fault. The context matters. Ignore someone who tells you to not do a good job because it doesn't matter. But listen to the people with years of experience who genuinely seem to care about what they do. Because as much as I fucking DETEST the company I work for, I still come to work every day and give my absolute all because I do it for my patients and myself, not for my company.

  • Furthermore – You can adore what you do. I love what I do, as a paramedic,. I just don't love who I work for. I feel like every day I go to work and save a life, I love that feeling of, honestly, the feeling of power over God himself. I have watched life leave the people I am entrusted to watch over, but I have snatched life back from the jaws of death itself. My job can be more rewarding in one week than most people feel in their lifetimes. There is nothing wrong with loving what you do. At all. This is shallow advice that applies to the standard 9-5 grunt.

  • Thoughts about staying at a job for tenure? People mention you should always try to hit that 2-yr mark before exploring other options even if it can be difficult.

  • Liz Gilbert said that we should never put that kind of pressure on our creativity (making it our sole income). I thought that was the best advice I’d ever heard. She also mentioned that she didn’t start writing full time until Eat Pray Love. Prior to that she wrote and worked a full time job.

  • Wrongggg… reality is people will not remember the times you accepted to do extra work but the times you refused to do extra work!

  • I think the "schmoozing" advice is just plain weird. If you want to get ahead once you land a job, networking inside and outside the organisation is essential. I have never heard of "schmoozing" and "drinking alcohol" used interchangeably, and cannot imagine that most people experienced enough to be managers would ever equate them, since excess drinking, in conjunction with work events, hasn't been acceptable since the 80s, and usually only at the xmas party then.

    "Schmoozing," on the other hand, is the very definition of networking. Getting to know people, getting to know where and when the opportunities, money, and sales are, etc. While schmoozing sometimes has a negative connotation, as in "glad-handing," or "smarmy," or even "pushy", I haven't ever seen it in the context of requiring, or even encouraging, heavy drinking.

    PS: I just checked Merriam Webster, which defines "schmoozing" as to chat cozily, to gossip.

  • One I've only just realised how beautiful you are and how much potential you've got. You should brighten up. Dramatically

  • My Career advice = don't go into Engineering high syress/responsibility and rubbish pay

  • This "Hiring Manager" is full of herself, I don't believe she reads though every single cover letter and goes beyond blah blah-you know she has a boss too. Plus yes hanging out with higher ups from work will defiantly get you ahead way faster-that's reality.

  • Chelsea and Lauren share advice on maximizing your first career job in this video: https://youtu.be/Y0m_Pcr1Rf8.

  • Me at the stage of "doing the job you love so you don't have to work a day" and yes the truth is you don't get to choose to work the way you preferred. And the system that runs wasn't my preference either. Not to mention the pressure of showing your employer you are worth taking on the position. Meanwhile I have a lot more things I wanted to achieve myself! Life is hard

  • Very realistic career advise. Young people and those who are still searching for their ideal careers should see this.

  • I've recently realised that I've been killing myself with stress by subconsciously trying to make my career into my main creative outlet. You're right that it's very unhealthy and doesn't lead to right choices or happiness. I've become more frustrated than ever and have so little energy after work that I'm unable to develop any hobbies or spend time with family and friends.

  • Bravo. Another common idea is to do work you consider fun. I believe people who are regretting their jobs are pushing these ideas on their children because they could not experience the separation of life and work-life. Do not choose the work you love; choose the one that you can do for 60 years forward, 8 or more hours a day without wanting to hang yourself.

  • You know if you do work more than is what was asked from you or your job description you are putting yourself at risk of being used and abused by your company especially corporate settings… In Filipino we say "Magtrabaho ayon sa sahod… Wag pabibo hindi ka pamamanahan ng CEO"

  • This is probably one of the best videos you’ve ever made. Being passionate about work is not related to the specific ‘work’ you do.

  • This was so helpful and timely for me. I have believed a lot of these bad career advice tropes and I think I may have wasted time beating myself up instead of enjoying what I could at each job and be flexible to step outside of the box when something interested me.

  • I knew a woman who lied and said she had a masters of psychology on her resume and got a job at Russell House doing intake counseling for battered women and children. She didn't have any education past high school. When she was caught, it was pretty bad. It ruined her career, reputation (which to be fair was shit anyway, huge liar in general) but it set the company up for possible lawsuits. She was privy to information she wasn't qualified to be part of, including longterm treatment of children.

  • I think that following your passion, and finding a job you love are strongly connected, and are not enough listened to. It doesn't mean that you can not use your brain, and search for the way to make it work better. We are spending half of life in the work, so sitting there and hating everyday is the worst thing you could ever do. Of course, not everyday will be perfect and you will not feel inspired all the time, but will be still better than being burned out after few years, cause you chose the job just for money.

  • 12:40 Every software developer has to "pretend" to know JavaScript at some point in their career! (Though, not on the resume, but in the course of doing "things outside the job description.")

  • I just found out that someone I've known my whole life had been lying about their abilities on pretty much every application and every interview because he felt like he deserved a higher pay grade than he actually deserved, and age had a part of it to do with it, and he's been fired from pretty much every single job. I was shocked, because the background we were raised in was seriously based off of integrity, and I never thought this person would go down that route. But of course people are complicated, and I learned from that situation.

  • Thank you for stating what should be obvious. Not everyone can afford to chase jobs they love. I’ve met three people in different stages of their lives who pursued art. They have heavy student loans, none are actually making money in art. Here are their current background.
    20s : Making $$ tutoring in their native language to make ends meet while working in art gallery doing menial tasks.
    40s: Telephone receptionist making extra $$ doing the rare art commission.
    50s: Studying nutrition because their current position (not art) will be phased out and is worrying about retirement.

  • Can you talk more about what are some healthy attitudes towards career and their role in our lives? What are some tools/ways of thinking to distance from being defined by it? I am absolutely terrified/petrified by career anxiety. I believe it's because I've glorofied it as a solution to my life problems/childhood insecurities.

  • You're great and a I really enjoy your vlogs. But you are far too young and inexperienced to be giving anyone career advice. In another 25 years from now you may have some helpful advice to share, but right now this is the last thing you should try to cover.

  • #1 speaks a lot more to the toxic work culture prevalent in the US than the advice itself. Unfortunately, #1 does work in a lot of companies, where managers would rather work with drinking buddies than people who are simply competent.

  • Do NOT become “besties” with a coworker or add coworkers on social media. Just don’t.

    After you leave the job? Yes! That’s great. During? Oh no. People talk. Keep those boundaries and be professional.

  • I liked this video, but I feel like it missed a lot of nuance, and doesn't work for all career situations; especially the part about schmoozing (which kind of confused me?). Your part about schmoozing seemed to indicate that the drinking was a problem. You don't necessarily have to drink to schmooze; schmoozing is just talking casually with a co-worker or boss trying to attain a benefit or general favor. And your friend hates the word? It's a word borrowed into the English language from Yiddish; we didn't invent it.

    If you have to use qualifying terms like "shouldn't," then you know the reality is that it "does." I agree that companies shouldn't function that way, but, the reality is, in many diverse fields, not schmoozing with your boss and co-workers is a death knell for your career.

    Also, working above or below your paygrade is VERY nuanced, and I think it's almost irresponsible to give blanket advice on it one way or another. For every company that rewards you for being flexible, there are three more who will intentionally exploit you for it. There is an issue with wage theft and ideas about compensation in the U.S.. Many people find themselves in situations where they are doing work that they are not being fairly compensated for because of advice exactly like the one presented in this video.

    I liked the video overall, but I felt like you could have done a deeper dive on some of these topics that really can't be given the same solution every time.

  • So the question i have is why was drinking alcohol with coworkers the only basis for schmoozing? Schmoozing also means kissing your bosses and co-workers assess, sucking-up, doing favors for bosses or co-workers and not feeling it's ok to say no. I wish they tackled some of these.

  • I had 2 hobbies, turned them into money and I lost interest in both the job and the hobby. Also, the happier you earn money, the quicker you spend it. If you don't like your job so much, you'll be having second thoughts about spending that hard earned money right left and center.
    This is what I personally realised.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *