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Jonathan Pryce: Being Pope Is A Lonely Job


LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, FOLKS YOU
KNOW MY NEXT GUEST TONIGHT, FROM “GAME OF THRONES” “THE WIFE” AND
“BRAZIL. HE JUST RECEIVED A GOLDEN GLOBE
NOMINATION FOR HIS ROLE AS POPE FRANCIS IN “THE TWO POPES.” PLEASE WELCOME JONATHAN PRYCE! ♪ ♪ ♪
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>>Stephen: NICE TOW MEET YOU.>>CAN I GO NOW?>>Stephen: NO, WE’VE LOCKED
THE DOORS FOR THE NEXT 10 MINUTES. YOU CAN’T GO ANYWHERE. CONGRATULATIONS. YOU JUST GOT NOMINATED FOR A
GOLDEN GLOBE FOR YOUR PERFORMANCE AS FRANCIS “THE TWO
POPES.” FANTASTIC. WAS IT FATED? WAS IT JUST DESTINY THAT YOU
WOULD PLAY THIS PART EVENTUALLY? BECAUSE EVEN BEFORE, EVEN BEFORE
THIS MOVIE EXISTED EVERYONE SAID YOU LOOKED LIKE FRANCISO OR
FRANCIS LOOKED LIKE ME.>>HE LOOKED LIKE ME. I WAS FAMOUS FIRST.>>Stephen: HERE’S YOU. IN CASE PEOPLE DON’T KNOW WHAT
YOU LOOK LIKE FROM SITTING THERE. AND HERE’S FRANCIS. COME ON. OBVIOUSLY– YOU MOISTURIZE AND
HE DOESN’T.>>IT’S A BIG SURPRISE, BECAUSE
THAT’S NOT WHO I SEE WHEN I LOOK IN THE MIRROR.>>Stephen: OH, REALLY?>>NO, I’M MORE BRAD PITT IN THE
MIRROR.>>Stephen: SURE, SURE. BRAD PITT WILL EVENTUALLY PLAY
YOU IN YOUR LIFE STORY. THERE’S A LOT OF THEATERICALITY
IN CATHOLICISM. I WAS RAISED CATHOLIC. WERE YOU RAISED CATHOLIC?>>NO, WELSH PRESBYTERIAN.>>Stephen: THERE’S GREAT
PRODUCTION VALUE IN CATHOLICISM.>>THERE IS.>>Stephen: IT’S VERY
THEATRICAL. HOW DID IT FEEL TO PLAY A POPE?>>YOU SEE, THE ROBES, ACTUALLY,
CARDINALS AND POPES, THEY’RE VERY SIMPLE. THEY’RE BEAUTIFULLY CUT, LOVELY
MATERIAL.>>Stephen: SURE.>>THERE’S NO CLASHING COLORS.>>Stephen: RIGHT.>>YOU DON’T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT
WHAT YOU’RE GOING TO WEAR WHEN YOU GET UP IN THE MORNING. I LIKE IT.>>Stephen: AND ALSO, YOU KNOW
WHAT TEAM YOU’RE ON.>>YES.>>Stephen: YOU’VE GOT
SCARLET, YOU’RE A BISHOP– OR A CARDINAL.>>CARDINAL.>>Stephen: YOU’RE WHITE.>>YOU’RE THE MAN.>>Stephen: YOU’RE MUSEUM ROW
UNO, BABY. THE EXTRAORDINARY THING ABOUT
THIS STORY IS THERE ARE TWO NUMERO UNOS THERE.>>IT WAS ORIGINALLY CALLED “THE
POPE.” AND THEN THEY CAST ANTHONY
HOPKINS AND HIS AGENT SAID THERE SHOULD BE TWO POPES. SO IT’S TWO POPES.( LAUGHTER ).>>Stephen: SO YOU GUYS ARE
BOTH WELSHMEN.>>YEAH.>>Stephen: PLAYING A GERMAN
POPE AND AN ARGENTINEAN POPE. HAD YOU GUYS PERFORMED TOGETHER
BEFORE? DID YOU GUYS KNOW EACH OTHER?>>WE’RE BOTH ON A RECORDING BY
DYLAN THOMAS THAT GEORGE MARTIN PRODUCED 27, 28 YEARS AGO. TONY WAS THEN– I DON’T KNOW IF
YOU KNOW THE POEM– THERE ARE TWO NARRATORS. IS AND TONY WAS VOICE NUMBER ONE
AND I WAS VOICE NUMBER TWO.>>Stephen: WOW.>>AND I WAS OKAY WITH IT. BUT THEN YOU CUT TO 27 YEARS
LATER, AND WE’RE IN ROME, AND YOU GET THE CALL SHEET FOR THE
NEXT DAY’S FILMING, AND A NUMBER IS NEXT TO YOUR CHARACTER, AND
YOU’RE RATED ACCORDING TO YOUR IMPORTANCE TO THE FILM. AND I WAS NUMBER ONE, AND TONY
WAS NUMBER TWO.( LAUGHTER ).>>Stephen: CONGRATULATIONS. CONGRATULATIONS. THAT’S REALLY GOOD.( APPLAUSE )
>>BUT HE– WE BECAME GREAT FRIENDS DURING THE FILMING. AND EVERY MORNING HE WOULD GREET
ME WITH, “MORNING, NUMBER ONE.” AND I SAID, “MORNING, NUMBER
TWO.” HE SIGNED HIS EMAILS TO ME AS
“SIR NUMBER TWO.” HE GETS HIS OWN WAY.>>Stephen: WE HAVE A CLIP
HERE OF TH “THE TWO POPES.” DO YOU KNOW WHAT’S HAPPENING IN
THIS CLIP?>>NO.>>Stephen: OKAY. WHAT WE KNOW IS THERE ARE TWO
POPES.>>TWO POPES.>>Stephen: AND THEY’RE
TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING.>>YES.>>Stephen: JIM.>>WHY DO THE PRESIDENTS OF
AMERICA AND RUSSIA AND CHINA COME TO YOU? BECAUSE, UNLIKE THEM, YOUR
AUTHORITY COMES FROM THE FACT THAT YOU WILL SUFFER AND DIE IN
THE JOB. A MARTYR TO JUSTICE AND TRUTH. FOR THIS, ALL PEOPLE COME. FORGIVE ME, BUT…>>BUT?>>CHRIST DID NOT COME DOWN FROM
THE CROSS.>>AH. BUT ALWAYS GRANTED THE RIGHT
WORDS.>>NO, A POPE MUST GO ON
FOREVER. BE THE PERSONIFICATION OF THE
CRUCIFIED CHRIST. IF YOU DO THIS, YOU WILL DAMAGE
THE PAINALCY FOREVER.( APPLAUSE ).>>Stephen: WHEN YOU ARE– IN
PLAYING FRANCIS, LIKE, DID YOU HAVE TO STUDY UP? HOW DO YOU, LIKE– HOW DO YOU DO
A RIDE-ALONG, LIKE, TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BE POPE? WHAT’S THE RESEARCH INVOLVED?>>WELL, THE RESEARCH– IT
WASN’T REALLY RESEARCH, BUT IT STARTED THE DAY HE WAS CREATED
POPE BECAUSE HE WAS THE FIRST POPE IN MY LIFETIME THAT I HAD
LISTENED TO. BECAUSE I’VE HEARD HE WAS
SPEAKING– NOT JUST TO MOW BUT MILLIONS OF OTHERS, NOT ABOUT
THE CHURCH, BUT ABOUT WORLD ISSUES, ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD LIVE
OUR LIVES. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE
ENVIRONMENT, THE INEQUALITY OF LIFE. SO I IDENTIFIED WITH HIM. AND SO WHEN I WAS OFFERED THE
CHANCE TO PLAY HIM, I JUMPED AT IT. BUT IT HELPED. I LOOKED A BIT LIKE HIM. BUT IT– I STUDIED HIS MOVEMENTS
AND THINGS, WATCHING LOTS OF YOUTUBE. I FOUND YOUTUBE OF HIM WHERE HE
WASN’T THE SMILING, AVUNCULAR POPE ON THE BALCONY OF ROME WHEN
HE’S DECLARED POPE. HE COMES WAY HISTORY, A VERY
CHECKERED HISTORY. HE’S STILL SEEN AS A DIVISIVE
PERSON IN ARGENTINA BECAUSE OF HIS POSSIBLE COLLABORATION WITH
THE CORALS. AND IT’S TALKED ABOUT IN THIS
FILM. AND THE ARGENTINEAN AUDIENCE WE
SHOWED IT TO LAST WEEK THANKED US FOR NOT SHYING AWAY FROM THE
DARK MOMENT IN THEIR HISTORY AND HIS HISTORY. YOU SEE THE UNSMILING POPE AND
YOU SEE THE MAN HE BECOMES. PEOPLE ASK ME HOW DIBUILD THE
CHARACTER? I SAY I DIDN’T, HE DID. AND I FOLLOWED IT.>>Stephen: WHAT DO YOU THINK
OF THE GIG? WOULD YOU WANT TO BE POPE?>>NO. NO. I THINK– IT’S– HE TALKS– YOU
SEE IT, AND HE TALKS ABOUT WHERE IT’S A LONELY LIFE. AND THEY BOTH TALK ABOUT BEING–
FEELING THAT THEY’RE ALONE.>>Stephen: WELL, IT’S A
BEAUTIFUL MOVIE, THANK YOU SO MUCH. LOVELY TO MEET YOU.>>THANK YOU, STEPHEN.>>Stephen: “THE TWO POPES” IS
AVAILABLE ON NETFLIX TOMORROW. JONATHAN PRYCE, EVERYBODY! WE’LL BE RIGHT BACK.

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